Tucker Carlson isn’t buying the Department of Justice’s insistence that there’s nothing buried in its files on Jeffrey Epstein—and suggested a far more nefarious cover-up that explains its claims. Carlson said on his podcast Tuesday that it was “obvious” Attorney General Pam Bondi was “covering up crimes” by not disclosing the fabled “client list” Bondi said in February was sitting on her desk.

Carlson cited former CIA counterintelligence official Daniel Payne, who once admitted that government systems had been saturated with graphic content involving children, raising the question of institutional rot.